I had a problem some time back, with this definition, and maybe still do. What I came up with, is that it means emergency landing your plane on either land or water, that is generally interpreted by the game as landing your plane on any terrain that isn't defined as an airfield in the game, even if you're in friendly territory
So, IOW, any time that you land your plane, but not on a friendly airfield, the game detects that you've ditched it., not landed it properly. And this would then mean that you'll need to be rescued (unless you're captured by the enemy), and the plane brought to an airfield for repair, by land or by some other means, if possible.
Is that about right?
Definition of 'ditching your plane'?
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I think that is about right WB - and ditching trigger use of the "rescue" screen.
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WB
Ok, thanks. I've since found several official pilot training sites and they define ditching as specifically only landing in water, not on land. What threw me is that I have a game where the result is the same whether you land in water or on land, but not on an airfield, and that is you're either captured, rescued, or sometimes die I think. So, it treats them as the same, basically.
The game I refer to gives you more points if you can land or ditch it and get rescued rather than bail out. Now, I have to figure out how can you tell when you're safe to ditch instead of bail. If there's a fire in the cockpit, I think you have to bail immediately, but if you just have some smoke from the engine, maybe you can emergency land it.
The game I refer to gives you more points if you can land or ditch it and get rescued rather than bail out. Now, I have to figure out how can you tell when you're safe to ditch instead of bail. If there's a fire in the cockpit, I think you have to bail immediately, but if you just have some smoke from the engine, maybe you can emergency land it.
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WB
now I'm even more confused, but I'll figure it out. I'm confused because, especially back in WW2, how likely was it that they could retrieve a plane from the water and make it servicable again? I doubt if they retrieved many, so bailing out should give the same # of points, except for one other item in the manual:
BTW, my manual (not EAW), says:
ditching expands the safe bailout area and adds to the likelihood of being rescued.
BTW, my manual (not EAW), says:
The P-51 Mustang, Bf 109E, and Spitfire, because of their air scoops, cannot ditch in the water without resulting in death.
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Wudpecker
Interesting, WB.
My experience in EAW is:
---If landing or even crash-landing on friendly territory, recovery of pilot is assumed and they get back to "base". I have not noticed any penalty for bail-outs.
You have? What did you get?
---If "ditching" at sea in enemy territory, say in an enemy convoy, or landing in enemy territory, the game regards this as "pilot XXX captured". That is, if you survive the water landing.
I notice credit for any "kills" made before capture.
---I have been surprised at times on open sea to find myself "pilot rescued". How this is determined, I don't know.
It would make an exciting movie clip to see the daring rescue.
It's been a long time since I did a campaign. I recall a SimHQ discussion that the pilot is restored to flight status after being captured for a certain length of time.
For realism, you say a manual declares the P-51 Mustang, Me-109, and Spitfire cannot be expected to survive water ditching. To this list, you might add the B-24 Liberator. I just read Stephen Ambrose, the author of many WWII books, in "The Wild Blue", quoting B-24 pilots saying water landings were suicide.
In any case, water ditchings are very difficult in EAW. As delicate as a perfect landing at just the right speed.
As you know, the game portrays them as a kind of landing, and the planes don't sink, but just flop to one wing.
Sadly, this applies to flying boats as well. No exception made for them.
I have tried different ways to get the PB-Y down with a splash on an even keel. No luck.
I have seen photos of WWII aircraft being lifted from the sea. But most ditched aircraft, if not all, were abandoned. Water is unforgiving at anything but the slowest speeds. Like hitting concrete.
My experience in EAW is:
---If landing or even crash-landing on friendly territory, recovery of pilot is assumed and they get back to "base". I have not noticed any penalty for bail-outs.
You have? What did you get?
---If "ditching" at sea in enemy territory, say in an enemy convoy, or landing in enemy territory, the game regards this as "pilot XXX captured". That is, if you survive the water landing.
I notice credit for any "kills" made before capture.
---I have been surprised at times on open sea to find myself "pilot rescued". How this is determined, I don't know.
It would make an exciting movie clip to see the daring rescue.
It's been a long time since I did a campaign. I recall a SimHQ discussion that the pilot is restored to flight status after being captured for a certain length of time.
For realism, you say a manual declares the P-51 Mustang, Me-109, and Spitfire cannot be expected to survive water ditching. To this list, you might add the B-24 Liberator. I just read Stephen Ambrose, the author of many WWII books, in "The Wild Blue", quoting B-24 pilots saying water landings were suicide.
In any case, water ditchings are very difficult in EAW. As delicate as a perfect landing at just the right speed.
As you know, the game portrays them as a kind of landing, and the planes don't sink, but just flop to one wing.
Sadly, this applies to flying boats as well. No exception made for them.
I have tried different ways to get the PB-Y down with a splash on an even keel. No luck.
I have seen photos of WWII aircraft being lifted from the sea. But most ditched aircraft, if not all, were abandoned. Water is unforgiving at anything but the slowest speeds. Like hitting concrete.
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WB
Wudpecker wrote:Interesting, WB.
My experience in EAW is:
---If landing or even crash-landing on friendly territory, recovery of pilot is assumed and they get back to "base". I have not noticed any penalty for bail-outs.
You have? What did you get?
Sorry, you're right I think. I misunderstood. Bailing out has no penalty over ditching.